标题: 立誓永远退出抽卡游戏 [打印本页] 作者: SukiM 时间: 2024-7-3 15:45 标题: 立誓永远退出抽卡游戏 It's insane that i've been sitting here contemplating this post for a few days now. Never once did I think that I would be the one writing out a warning like this, crazy. Today I uninstalled all of my gacha games. All my main games were connected to an email account to which I had my girlfriend change the password. We did the same with my Apple account. It's been really difficult to put this into words. Its been quite an eventful week, and i'm just really tired. Wanting to share a story, and a warning to everyone. Enjoy the last 2 years of my foolish choices.
我已经坐在这里思考这篇文章几天了，这真是太疯狂了。我从来没有想过我会是第一个写出这样的警告的人，太疯狂了。今天我卸载了所有的扭蛋游戏。我所有的主要游戏都连接到一个电子邮件帐户，我让我的女朋友更改了该帐户的密码。我们对我的苹果帐户做了同样的事情。这真的很难用语言来表达。这真是多事的一周，我真的很累。想分享一个故事，给大家一个警示。享受我过去两年的愚蠢选择吧。
Man, 男人，
Let me just start by saying; It's been a hell of a 2 years being a part of this sub on my main reddit profile. Everyone here has been incredible, hype train riders, game shitters, mass downvoters, etc. It was a hilarious culture of yelling at the weird kids that would post "Gacha life" animations. Great times.
让我首先说；成为我主要 Reddit 个人资料中这个子项目的一部分，这两年真是太痛苦了。这里的每个人都令人难以置信，有热衷于炒作的火车乘客、游戏垃圾者、大量反对票的人等等。这是一种对发布“扭蛋生活”动画的奇怪孩子大喊大叫的搞笑文化。美好的时光。
I digress, I'm just at a point with Gacha gaming where I can no longer control myself missing out on something. Whenever something new is released, there is an instinct in me that just wants it. I cannot handle that anymore. If you are F2P4L, i am very proud of who you are as a person, I however cannot control myself and am unable to be F2P in any environment in any game. I applaud your self control, seriously.
我离题了，我正处于扭蛋游戏的关键阶段，我无法再控制自己错过一些东西。每当有新的东西发布时，我内心就会有一种想要它的本能。我再也受不了了。如果你是F2P4L，我为你作为一个人感到非常自豪，但是我无法控制自己，无法在任何环境、任何游戏中进行F2P。我真的很欣赏你的自制力。
So about 3 years ago, I left my home state, got a new job, and distracted myself heavily with the game 'kings raid'. Played it, never spent on it, had fun, etc. Farmed a lot, literally had a laptop that only ran kings raid for days on end. Eventually, i think I spent maybe $24 total on the game, but nothing significant before I quit.
大约三年前，我离开了家乡，找到了一份新工作，并通过“国王突袭”游戏严重分散了自己的注意力。玩过，从来没有花过，玩得很开心，等等。耕种了很多，实际上有一台笔记本电脑，只能连续几天运行国王突袭。最终，我想我在这款游戏上总共花了 24 美元，但在我退出之前没什么大不了的。
About 2 years ago, I downloaded Epic Seven when I had read about a PVP/PVE game similar to summoners war release. I was hooked. I laughed at some of the prices for some of the packs they were offering. After a few months, epic seven became "login, do arena, do basic missions, raise fodder, gear farm, logout". I started to rise up in E7 because of some luck rolls, become amongst the highest ranks of players, so i started buying Molagora packs for the extra advantage.
大约两年前，当我读到一款类似于召唤师战争的 PVP/PVE 游戏时，我下载了《第七史诗》。我被迷住了。我嘲笑他们提供的一些包的一些价格。几个月后，史诗七变成了“登录，做竞技场，做基本任务，筹集饲料，装备农场，注销”。由于一些运气，我开始在 E7 中崛起，成为最高等级的玩家之一，所以我开始购买 Molagora 包以获得额外的优势。
After a while, E7 became what I would end up losing sleep over, before E7 had auto repeat. My work was already started to be effected even 2 months in, when I would have E7 running in my pocket fodder farming. While I was on my computer, epic seven was on an emulator sitting behind my main project. I had no self control, and constantly had to be evolving something, leveling, no wasting time, etc. It cut into my personal life, my health, my relationship. This game had swallowed me. it was becoming my everything, and I felt that.. and I liked it. I was always looking for something I could play for long periods of time, see my payoff, and compete in PVP. It was my dream game. It set a high bar for what I expected any sort of game to be in the future.
过了一段时间，E7变成了我最终失眠的地方，在E7有自动重复之前。两个月后我的工作就已经开始生效了，当时我的口袋饲料农场里运行着 E7。当我在我的电脑上时，史诗七是在我的主要项目后面的模拟器上。我没有自控能力，必须不断地发展一些东西，平衡，不浪费时间等等。它影响了我的个人生活、我的健康、我的人际关系。这场比赛已经把我吞噬了。它正在成为我的一切，我感觉到......而且我喜欢它。我一直在寻找可以长时间玩、看到回报并参与 PVP 竞争的游戏。这是我梦想的游戏。它为我对未来任何类型游戏的期望设定了很高的标准。
Soon after, i started looking for new gachas.. I played everything that released since Late 2019.. Seven deadly sins came out with a Gacha, and I was HOOKED on that. I spent so much money on the game since I was top 50 on Arena on Week 2. Spent $600 on launch day, and didn't even think about it. Until later, when I dropped the game in 6 months realizing I put a lot of money into something I was never going to play again, and never did. Same with EXOS, easilly dropped $600 again week one since i was in love, hit top 200 arena, and saw the rewards come pouring in. What a great dopomine rush, I was GOOD AT SOMETHING! (Or so i thought!) I played until the first major fiasco, and peaced out. i could sit here and write all my experiences with games, but to really drive the point I played a lot of Gacha games. This is the list of uninstalled games I have in roughly a year..
不久之后，我开始寻找新的扭蛋。我玩了自 2019 年末以来发布的所有游戏。《七大罪》随扭蛋一起问世，我对此着迷。自从我在第二周的竞技场上进入前 50 名以来，我在这款游戏上花了很多钱。在发布当天花了 600 美元，甚至没有考虑过。直到后来，我在 6 个月后放弃了这款游戏，意识到我在一个我再也不会玩的游戏上投入了很多钱，而且再也没有玩过。与 EXOS 一样，自从我坠入爱河以来，第一周就轻松地再次下降了 600 美元，进入前 200 名竞技场，并看到奖励源源不断地涌来。多巴胺激增，我很擅长某件事！ （或者我是这么认为的！）我一直玩到第一次重大惨败，然后平静下来。我可以坐在这里写下我所有的游戏经历，但为了真正推动这一点，我玩了很多嘎查游戏。这是我大约一年内卸载的游戏列表。
JP: World Flipper, PGR, WOTV, GBF, Nier, a few other games idk, Dokkan
JP：World Flipper、PGR、WOTV、GBF、Nier、一些其他游戏 idk、Dokkan
GL: E7, AE, DL, Crash Fever, Marvel Strike Force, Evertale, Teppen, Mirage Memorial, Last Cloudia (Spend heavily until randy, then fell off), Crossing Void, Dokkan. Grand Summoners, RWBY Area, PAD, FGO, Magia Record, Langrisser, KHGX, Sdorica, Gem Of War, DFFOO, FEH, TAC, Fantasy War Tactics R, Brave Nine, 7DS, ONE PIECE BON BON, WOTV, Summoners War, BladeXLord, Pokemon go, EXOS, Onmyoji, RAID, Destiny Child, AL, Romancing Saga, Sinoalice, Tales of Crestoria, AFK Arena, One Piece Treasure Cruise, Kingdom of Heros: Tactics War, Idola Phantasy Star Saga, Genshin, Honkai, Illusion Connect, Goddess of Genesis, Shining Beyond, Girls Frontline, pricess connect, disgea RPG, Bang Dream!, Smash Legends, Summoners War: Lost Centuria, Wuthering Wave. That's all of the "major" gachas i've installed. A good majority of that list, I did spend on at some point...
GL：E7、AE、DL、Crash Fever、Marvel Strike Force、Evertale、Teppen、Mirage Memorial、Last Cloudia（花费巨资直到兰迪，然后掉下来）、Crossing Void、Dokkan。大召唤师、RWBY Area、PAD、FGO、Magia Record、Langrisser、KHGX、Sdorica、宝石战争、DFFOO、FEH、TAC、奇幻战争战术 R、勇敢九人、7DS、海贼王 BON BON、WOTV、魔灵召唤、BladeXLord , Pokemon go, EXOS, 阴阳师, RAID, 命运之子, AL, 浪漫传奇, Sinoalice, 克雷斯托利亚传说, AFK Arena, 海贼王宝藏巡游, 英雄王国：战术战争, 伊多拉幻想之星传奇, 原神, 崩坏, 幻象连接、《创世女神》、《闪耀超越》、《少女前线》、《prices connect》、《disgea RPG》、《Bang Dream!》、《粉碎传奇》、《魔灵召唤：失落的百人队》《鸣潮》。这就是我安装的所有“主要”扭蛋。该清单中的大部分内容，我确实在某个时候花了......
I played honestly almost everything that came out. Whatever stuck with me. I spent money on, I always justified it to myself somehow. "Oh it's not that bad, you got paid x extra and can afford this, etc" It was weird to watch myself become so weak to the thought of absolutely NEEDING something in a mobile game. Only to quit 3-4 weeks later.
我几乎诚实地演奏了所有出来的东西。无论什么都困扰着我。我花了钱，我总是以某种方式向自己证明这是合理的。 “哦，这并没有那么糟糕，你得到了额外的报酬，并且可以负担得起这个，等等”看着自己变得如此软弱，以至于想到在手机游戏中绝对需要一些东西，这很奇怪。 3-4周后才戒掉。
But it wasn't until I played War of the Visions, that I started to spend a ton on Gacha. Then came genshin, then i got hooked on Honkai. Etc.. I was out of control with my spending, but not to the point where it was dangerous to me, just to where i was surviving with a bit of extra spending money.. It very easily could have become an issue by the end of the year, had I not stopped this now.. War of the visions was absolutely draining, I was caught up with EVERY SINGLE UNIT SINCE LAUNCH until roughly 5 days ago, when I quit. I sunk more into that game than I ever care to admit. If I actually had to guestimate for laughs.. I'd say roughly $8-10k had been spent in over a year.
但直到我玩了《幻影之战》后，我才开始在扭蛋上投入大量资金。然后是《原神》，然后我迷上了崩坏。等等..我对自己的支出失去了控制，但还没有达到对我来说危险的程度，只是到了我靠一点额外的零用钱生存的地步..到最后它很容易成为一个问题今年的年度最佳游戏，如果我现在没有停止的话……《幻象之战》绝对让人筋疲力尽，自推出以来我一直在关注每一个单元，直到大约 5 天前我退出。我对这场比赛的投入比我愿意承认的还要深。如果我真的必须估算一下笑点的话……我会说一年多的时间里大约花费了 8-1 万美元。
I distinctly remember during FFT collab 1, I was sitting in my dentist office spending a ridiculous amount trying to get Cid. Kept thinking "Oh this is on sale, its a good deal!" etc. Classic justification to any spending what so ever. Similar experience with WOL too, i woke up at reset just to sit on my toilet and spend hundreds on a character i'd likely never use again.
我清楚地记得在 FFT 合作 1 期间，我坐在牙医办公室里花了一大笔钱试图得到 Cid。一直在想“哦，这个在打折，很划算！”等等。任何支出的经典理由。 WOL 也有类似的经历，我在重置时醒来只是坐在马桶上，花了数百美元购买一个我可能永远不会再使用的角色。
It All started really small, i started seeing really similar stories get posted in this subreddit, of people getting to the point I am sitting at now. I remember thinking "We'll i haven't spent that much. Can't hurt". I've seen so many people go through the same cycle I just did. I watched so many people in the shoes of those who will leave comments telling me I'm "too weak" for gacha games, or they aren't meant for people like me. Sometime, someday, you could see yourself typing this exact same thing, or thinking about this.. It all starts small. It all adds up fast. I became aware of this when i didn't clear some notifications from my phone and saw "APPLE $72.92" & "APPLE $91.92" and a lots that I had forgot to clear while I was trying to get a character on honkai.
这一切都是从很小的事情开始的，我开始看到这个 Reddit 子版块中发布了非常相似的故事，人们达到了我现在所坐的位置。我记得我当时想“我们不会花那么多钱的。不会受伤”。我见过很多人都经历过和我一样的循环。我看到很多人都站在那些留下评论的人的立场上，告诉我我对扭蛋游戏“太弱了”，或者它们不适合像我这样的人。有时候，有一天，你可能会看到自己输入完全相同的内容，或者思考这个……这一切都是从小事开始的。这一切加起来很快。当我没有清除手机中的一些通知并看到“APPLE $72.92”和“APPLE $91.92”以及很多我在尝试在honkai上获取角色时忘记清除的内容时，我意识到了这一点。
It became ABUNDANT how much I was spending at that moment. I had just cleared the WOTV shop.. I cleared the honkai shop.. i cleared the E7 monthly shop. I just justified everything, somehow taking priority over my life. I stood there and pat myself on the back after buying all of that, saying "Yeah, you're doing good!". I'm nowhere near my bottom, i just saw the hole forming underneath me slowly.
那一刻我花了多少钱。我刚刚清理了 WOTV 商店。我清理了 honkai 商店。我清理了 E7 月刊商店。我只是为一切辩护，以某种方式优先于我的生活。买完所有这些后，我站在那里拍拍自己的背说：“是的，你做得很好！”。我离我的底部还很远，我只是看到我下面慢慢形成的洞。
My life was "wake up, grind this, grind that, do this do that." even on days I had to work. I found myself taking time to just pick up my phone and do just ONE MORE THING! Farm that last item... etc. That had been my life for almost a year and a half. I was so tired, and just couldn't be bothered anymore. The hole grew a little wider everyday
我的生活就是“醒来，磨这个，磨那个，做这个做那个”。即使在我必须工作的日子里。我发现自己花时间拿起手机，再做一件事！农场最后一个项目……等等。这就是我近一年半的生活。我实在是太累了，实在不想再打扰了。洞一天比一天大一点
So with different eyes, i looked at how much i spent last year in total on Gacha gaming, and i'm pretty ashamed of myself, my choices, and my unwillingness to let something pass me by that plays no significance in my life. I started to reflect earlier last week when my girlfriend saw one of my apple purchases in my Gmail, and asked me simply to my face "What do you even get out of this?"
因此，我以不同的眼光审视了去年我在扭蛋游戏上总共花了多少钱，我对自己、我的选择以及我不愿意让那些对我的生活毫无意义的事情从我身边溜走感到非常羞愧。上周早些时候，当我的女朋友在我的 Gmail 中看到我购买的苹果产品时，我开始反思，她当面简单地问我：“你能从中得到什么？”
I thought about that. For a long time. I uninstalled genshin, honkai, epic seven, disgea RPG, princess connect, kings raid, FFBE, WOTV, Granblue Fantasy, FGO, Wuthering Wave and anything else on my phone.
我想到了这一点。许久。我卸载了《原神》、《崩坏》、《史诗七》、《魔界战记》、《公主连结》、《国王突袭》、《FFBE》、《WOTV》、《碧蓝幻想》、《FGO》、《鸣潮》以及手机上的所有其他游戏。
For an idea of what I deleted. Sold my AR55 genshin account with every 5* at C3, Lvl 85 Honkai with 4/4 and all char, E7 only missing 5 characters total, Disgea had every unit released, FFBE had tons of NV3, WOTV had 46 TMR characters, and every single UR except Christmas Mash, Granblue was Level 250 with almost every character. FGO i just straight up deleted, had been playing as long as E7.
了解我删除的内容。在 C3 上以每 5* 的价格出售我的 AR55 原神帐户，Lvl 85 Honkai 有 4/4 和所有字符，E7 总共只缺少 5 个角色，Disgea 发布了每个单位，FFBE 有大量的 NV3，WOTV 有 46 个 TMR 角色，并且每个除了Christmas Mash之外，单一的UR，Granblue几乎每个角色都达到了250级。 FGO我直接删了，E7就玩了那么久。
I don't know why, but I just hit delete. Put all my accounts for sale, and changed the password to those that were hard locked.
我不知道为什么，但我只是点击删除。把我所有的账户都卖了，把密码改成了硬锁的。
That's a lot of games, i know.. and I was spending on damn near everyone of them.. I was ashamed. I haven't once looked back about logging in, missing out, etc. It's been such a time sink, and so fun if you stay casual or F2P. I regret a lot of my purchases, and i really just needed to be done with Gacha games for good. They're no good for me. If you feel like you're falling into the same path i did. Mess up your account. Sell all your gear or delete all your high rarity characters. Theres nothing for you here if your life becomes the game you play. It isn't worth it. I don't have any games on my phone, and plan on keeping it that way for a long time.
我知道，有很多游戏。我在每个游戏上都花了钱。我很羞愧。我从来没有回顾过登录、错过等事情。这真是浪费时间，如果你保持休闲或免费的话，那么会很有趣。我对购买的很多东西感到后悔，我真的只需要永远停止玩扭蛋游戏。他们对我没有好处。如果你觉得你正在陷入与我相同的道路。搞乱你的账户。卖掉你所有的装备或删除你所有的高稀有角色。如果你的生活变成了你玩的游戏，那么这里就没有什么适合你的了。这是不值得的。我的手机上没有任何游戏，并打算长期保持这种状态。
I realized I wasn't having fun last November. It sucks to see yourself feel this way for months, and turn right back around and swipe your credit card whenever something new and shiny is released. It was really really awful feeling like i was a slave to reset timers and farming. Two years of my life seemed to revolve around these games. It's been so crazy watching my bank account suffer too, working on paying down a few credit cards set me back a few months, but luckily I found my way out of this habit.
我意识到去年十一月我过得并不开心。几个月来，看到自己有这样的感觉，每当有新的、闪亮的东西发布时，你就转身刷信用卡，这真是太糟糕了。这种感觉真的很糟糕，就像我是重置计时器和耕作的奴隶一样。我生命中的两年似乎都围绕着这些游戏。看着我的银行账户也受到影响，这真是太疯狂了，还清几张信用卡的钱让我花了几个月的时间，但幸运的是，我找到了摆脱这个习惯的方法。
I think i'll stick to rougelike games in the future.
我想我以后会继续玩rougelike游戏。
I knew I was in deep, and it started so subtly. Laying awake at night, so happy i got that next mat to evolve my hero to 6* transcendence. Only 3 more stages until I do this, do that, etc. It all starts small. It's been insanely hard to stay away from these games. I've unfollowed everything on my main account. All reddits, all youtubers who enable or hype these games, twitch streamers, google catche, etc.
我知道我已经陷得很深了，而且一切都是如此微妙地开始的。晚上睡不着，很高兴我得到了下一张垫子，将我的英雄进化到 6 级超越。在我做这个、做那个等等之前，只剩下 3 个阶段了。这一切都是从小事开始的。远离这些游戏是非常困难的。我已取消关注主帐户上的所有内容。所有 Reddit、所有启用或炒作这些游戏的 YouTube 用户、twitch 流媒体、google catche 等。
I just cannot be around it, I cannot be reminded of it. I am missing nothing, and what I am missing serves no real purpose to my real life. Playing these games F2P and casually is fine, if you can manage that, AWESOME! please just don't be like me.
Thanks for listening everyone, I wish all of you luck in the future of your Gacha gaming. May the shaft stay far far away.
感谢大家的聆听，祝大家在扭蛋游戏的未来一切顺利。愿竖井远离。
EDIT 1: Hey Everyone, thanks for all the positive words. I appreciate everyone who has commented and said something to me regarding the last 2 years. I just want to clear a few things up.
编辑 1：大家好，感谢所有积极的话语。我感谢所有在过去两年中对我发表评论和说过话的人。我只是想澄清一些事情。
I am done with gacha gaming, period. I have no room for these games in my life, not anymore. If you can balance a game, your life, and a couple side games. Awesome. My life just revolves mostly around computers, so that temptation to grind was always there. I haven't felt that in over a week when I called it quits.
我已经玩完了扭蛋游戏，就这样。我的生活中没有这些游戏的空间，不再有。如果你能平衡游戏、你的生活和一些附带游戏。惊人的。我的生活主要围绕着电脑，所以苦苦钻研的诱惑一直存在。当我退出时，我已经一个多星期没有感觉到了。
I wasn't so much addicted to the gambling aspect of gacha gaming, as I was the FOMO that came along side it. Mostly, I just viewed these limited time ultra rare characters or weapons through rose colored glasses. Last week I just scrolled through my entire WOTV character catalog and said "Remember how much I spent trying to pull this guy, only to get shafted and pay another $100 to literally only use him for a week, then bench him for the newest & best thing.
我不太沉迷于扭蛋游戏的赌博方面，因为我是随之而来的 FOMO。大多数情况下，我只是通过玫瑰色眼镜来看待这些限时的超稀有角色或武器。上周，我刚刚浏览了我的整个 WOTV 角色目录，然后说道：“还记得我花了多少钱试图拉住这个家伙，结果却被坑了，还多付了 100 美元，实际上只使用了他一周，然后让他坐在板凳上看最新最好的事物。
Yes, I have been through "quitting" games before. But generally it only lasts a day before I came crawling back. It's been over a week, and I think it's pretty safe to say I have myself in a good mentality of "You're gaining nothing of real value by purchasing this electronic thing that isn't even yours, and can only be used or viewed as long as the servers owned by the company making you pay them is running the game.
是的，我以前也经历过“戒掉”游戏。但一般只持续一天我就会爬回来。已经一个多星期了，我想可以肯定地说，我自己的心态很好，“购买这个甚至不属于你的、只能使用或查看的电子产品，你并没有获得任何真正的价值”只要让你付费的公司拥有的服务器正在运行游戏。
Once you kinda come out on "the other side" and really have someone question your purchases legitimately. You never really think about it.
一旦你有点站在“另一边”，并且确实有人合法地质疑你的购买行为。你从来没有真正思考过它。
Also, giving unwarranted amateur psychological advice & unsolicited opinions on what I should do with my life is really tacky, even for this sub.
另外，就我的生活应该做什么提供毫无根据的业余心理建议和未经请求的意见真的很俗气，即使对于这个潜艇来说也是如此。
TLDR: 总而言之：
I fell into FOMO trap. Started spending a little on gachas. Turned into big purchases. Spent lots of money over 2 years. Overall, I am safe, I am fine, I do not gamble in real life. I work at a computer most of my day, and work on site during weekends. This did not financially devastate me, but it easily could have, if I kept clearing out shops the way I was.
我陷入了 FOMO 陷阱。开始在扭蛋上花一点钱。变成了大采购。 2年时间里花了很多钱。总的来说，我很安全，我很好，我在现实生活中不赌博。我一天大部分时间都在电脑前工作，周末则在现场工作。这并没有在经济上摧毁我，但如果我继续像以前那样清理商店，它很可能会摧毁我。作者: 艾的民 时间: 2024-7-3 15:45
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